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Super Episode 26 (10 January 2016)
Topic Started: Jan 10 2016, 12:31 AM (21,201 Views)
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大ピンチに勝機が見えた!反撃開始だ孫悟空!
Dai-Pinchi ni Shōki ga Mieta! Hangeki Kaishi da Son Gokū!
Amidst the Crisis, a Shot at Victory Appears! Son Goku’s Counterattack Begins!

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Freeza seems to have thoroughly gained the upper hand against Goku, strangling him with his tail. As he continues to pummel Goku, seeing Goku reduced to this miserable condition gives him joy. Over on the sidelines, Kuririn is amazed at just how powerful Golden Freeza is, and Bulma complains to Jaco that at this rate, the Earth is doomed. But Beerus and Whis tell everyone not to panic just yet: Goku still has a shot at victory. Freeza may have grown far stronger, but if Goku and Vegeta teamed up, they could defeat him. Bulma orders Vegeta to go help Goku out, but he doesn’t budge, and Whis explains that the two Saiyans would rather lose than join forces; their pride is simply too high. Bulma is exasperated, and Beerus says that those two are idiots. Whis agrees, saying that they’re as stupid as Beerus (who isn’t happy to hear Whis say this).

Back on the battlefield, Goku manages to get free of Freeza’s tail and starts fighting back, but to no avail. Before too long, Freeza is knocking him around once more. Sorbet notes to himself that his plan was correct: with Freeza back to life, their army can once again aim to conquer the entire universe. Jaco pesters Bulma to have her husband join the battle, since if Goku loses then even Jaco’s own life will be at risk, but Bulma says that’s easier said than done. With Goku on the ground, Freeza says that this is just a taste of the same sort of humiliation Freeza himself suffered at Goku’s hands back on Namek. If only he had managed to use the dragon balls to wish for immortality back then, by now he’d probably be ruler of the universe. Since the time Goku wrecked his plans, Freeza has thought only of getting his revenge, but now their destiny is complete…and with that, Freeza fires a big blast to finish Goku off.

After the resulting explosion, everyone assumes Goku is dead, until Jaco (his eyes still as good as ever) manages to see through the cloud of smoke that Goku is still alive, though hurt. Goku explains to Freeza that this last attack was super effective: “Frankly, I thought I’d had it.” Freeza assumes he must have held back too much. Suddenly, Goku narrowly dodges a blast from below. It’s Vegeta! He’s mad at Goku for “not catching on”, saying that at this rate he might as well just kill Freeza himself. At first Goku is confused, but suddenly seems to realize what Vegeta is talking about. While Vegeta demands Goku swap out with him and let him take on Freeza, Goku refuses, saying that things are just getting interesting. Just wait a little bit more! Freeza is furious at the two Saiyans for not taking him seriously, but Goku apologies, saying that the real fight starts now.

Goku advises Freeza to just leave now while he’s still ahead, but Freeza won’t listen. Why should he retreat now, at his moment of victory? Goku explains that he’s about to turn the tables on Freeza: while Freeza himself apparently hasn’t realized it yet, his new “Golden Freeza” form has a serious weakness. While it hasn’t factored into the battle so far, if they continue to fight it will definitely become clear as day. Freeza still scoffs, saying that he’ll simply kill Goku before that happens. Goku says it won’t be so simple, and powers up, making Freeza comment that if Goku had that much power, he should have used it from the beginning. Goku says that he’ll throw everything he has against Freeza, who responds that in that case, he’ll likewise use his full power to beat Goku black-and-blue before finally killing him. With that, Freeza likewise powers up, impressing Goku. The two will now both fight all-out, just as Goku hoped for.

Down on the ground, Kuririn is amazed that Goku and Freeza were still concealing so much power; this is a level beyond his comprehension. The two begin the next round of their fight, seemingly now more evenly matched. The two start launching a volley of ki blasts at each other, creating another big cloud of smoke. Freeza suddenly launches forward and engages Goku in hand-to-hand combat, with the sounds of their fighting reverberating outside the smoke cloud. Sorbet is convinced Freeza still has the upper hand, and even Bulma thinks Goku’s in trouble. The two come out of the cloud again, and Goku seems to be getting one-sidedly beaten back. Briefly knocked into the water, Goku worries about being at a disadvantage, but Freeza assures him he won’t let Goku drown. Back on the land, Goku is knocked down on the ground. As he struggles to his feet, Freeza confidently strides towards him, declaring victory. He punches Goku in the head to finish him off…but Goku is completely unfazed.

Goku calmly notes that Freeza’s “time limit” seems to be up, and starts easily knocking Freeza around. Freeza happens to land near Sorbet, and the two appear to share a quiet conversation. Goku asks Freeza is he understands now: since Freeza came to Earth right after completing his new “evolution”, his Golden Freeza form has very poor stamina, and now he no longer has enough power left to defeat Goku. If Freeza had only taken the time to get used to his new form before coming to Earth, he probably would have won. Off on the sidelines, Beerus and Whis compliment Goku on really using his head for a change. But Freeza refuses to accept this, and vainly tries to fight back. Goku says that there’s no point in continuing the fight any longer. Reverting from his blue-haired Super Saiyan form back to normal, he tells Freeza to go home, and offers to take him on again anytime…But before Goku can finish his sentence, a shot from Sorbet’s raygun pierces his chest.

Goku collapses on the ground, and Freeza compliments Sorbet on a job well done. It was a good thing they thought up that contingency plan, just in case. Beerus says that was a dirty move on Freeza’s part, but it was certainly effective, while Whis complains that this is precisely why he pointed out to Goku that he had a bad habit of letting down his guard. As Freeza kicks and stomps on Goku, he mocks him for letting his great strength go to his head and get sloppy. That bad habit was his weakness. “How does it feel, being so strong and yet getting felled by a mere raygun?” Freeza says that the grand story of his revenge is now reaching its climax, and charges up a Death Beam to finally finish Goku off once and for all. But before he can fire it, he narrowly dodges an unexpected attack from Vegeta, who declares that it’s time to change fighters.

Well, the animation wasn't so bad this time around, but the art was pretty terrible in a few places. There were also instances of poor pacing as far as the action went. Overall, an ok episode at best, but one thing I did like about it is that when Goku is shot by Sorbet, he reverts to base and lets his guard down completely this time around. Not as jarring to see a base, off-guard Goku get shot by a laser rifle. Oh, and Gohan and Kuririn were about to help Goku, but Whis stopped them. I liked that.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and there's a new ending. I like it.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jan 10 2016, 05:40 PM.
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at least they fixed the laser scene someone in the writing room clearly knew it was stupid for Goku in his God from to get shot
Edited by King Kakarot, Jan 10 2016, 12:46 AM.
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My Dear Melancholy,

Next saga is the finale....YAY :)

Now Goku got shot in base. Very good.
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Why'd Goku go into base?

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I doubt being 33% weaker really makes a difference with standard issue lasers when your base is basically ssjg levels. Red Goku getting shot is no better.
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From what I understand, Freeza seemed to be faking acknowledging his defeat. This does make more sense actually. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for someone to drop their guard completely in a transformed state. Here, Goku can be at any level. Trunks was able to suppress himself to 5 after all.
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Jan 10 2016, 02:16 AM
Why'd Goku go into base?

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I doubt being 33% weaker really makes a difference with standard issue lasers when your base is basically ssjg levels. Red Goku getting shot is no better.
Goku was in his base here he could be suppressed to god knows what levels
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I'll give a more detailed post when I see it subbed, but first impressions:

-Goku going down to base is so much worse than what the movie had. We remove a power headscratcher with an absolutely retarded character decision. There's letting yourself get caught off guard by somebody who was hiding and you weren't paying attention to, and then there's standing right next to your current opponent and lowering your power to below theirs just as you start to win. If Freeza wanted to, he could have easily just done that by himself this time around, there was no need for Sorbert at all. We know Freeza will still be stronger than base Goku since it isn't until Vegeta turns SSjB that Freeza realises he's f***ed.

-Vegeta haing to point out Freeza's weakness to Goku. Why the f*** is this episode making Goku even more retarded than usual? Goku's an idiot, sure, but he's supposed to be a battle genius. The show is making Vegeta look good, but it's s***ting all over Goku to make it happen.

-I like the fighting here. I thought it felt really powerful. Even the pacing of the fight was much better than we usually get in Super, I'd say the amount of fighting in this ep rivals a lot of DBZ fights, though nowhere near any of the better paced ones. The only problem was the Ki blast fight. Super has a huge problem animating ki blasts for some reason.

-Freeza not realising Goku would just bite his tail as he did in the past......and Goku for taking so long to even think about it in the first place.

I did like the episode overall, at least from the little I know about the dialogue and what I've seen. I love the fighting, and while I hate Goku turning into base, I think the actual scene of him getting shot was much more dramatic here.
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Jan 10 2016, 02:40 AM
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Jan 10 2016, 02:16 AM
Why'd Goku go into base?

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I doubt being 33% weaker really makes a difference with standard issue lasers when your base is basically ssjg levels. Red Goku getting shot is no better.
Goku was in his base here he could be suppressed to god knows what levels
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From what I understand, Freeza seemed to be faking acknowledging his defeat. This does make more sense actually. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for someone to drop their guard completely in a transformed state. Here, Goku can be at any level. Trunks was able to suppress himself to 5 after all.

...So... He WILLINGLY went down to five rather than simply lowering his guard, but it's okay because he's not blue when it happens?
...just... Goku really is the new Nappa, evil and stupid. Just... This even worse than getting killed in ssjgssj, at least there he can just let down his guard, here he's showing legit TFS Goku and Nappa levels of stupidity, did Freeza offer pizza to get him to go to base as well?
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That's what he did in Resurrection F. It just makes more sense that he's able to suppress himself to such a level in his base form, rather than his strongest form.
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We remove a power headscratcher with an absolutely retarded character decision.

W-what? He let his guard down in both instances... That was sorta the point...
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jan 10 2016, 03:12 AM.
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Pretty sure Goku did the same thing back in the manga vs Freeza this isn't something new
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Jan 10 2016, 03:10 AM
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We remove a power headscratcher with an absolutely retarded character decision.

W-what? He let his guard down in both instances... That was sorta the point...
In the movie he at least let himself stay in the form, so if Freeza turned around and tried something, he could quickly use Ki to block against it. While here Freeza could easily throw a blast before Goku can even react considering not only does Goku have to transform again, but his speed will have lowered too, to the point where Freeza is much faster.

In the movie Goku left himself open to a sneak attack from Sorbert, in Super he left himself open to a non-sneak attack from Freeza.
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Shouldn't Goku already know Freiza weakness?

Just read my signature. A genius like Goku should of known.

Then again maybe actually watching the episode would benefit more.
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We remove a power headscratcher with an absolutely retarded character decision.

W-what? He let his guard down in both instances... That was sorta the point...
In the movie he at least let himself stay in the form, so if Freeza turned around and tried something, he could quickly use Ki to block against it. While here Freeza could easily throw a blast before Goku can even react considering not only does Goku have to transform again, but his speed will have lowered too, to the point where Freeza is much faster.

In the movie Goku left himself open to a sneak attack from Sorbert, in Super he left himself open to a non-sneak attack from Freeza.
I don't see how Freeza could have turned around since he was in front of him in both instances. Goku could likely transform before Freeza reacted.

Which makes no sense since he was in a transformed state. Not necessarily, he may have been able to react.
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That's what he did in Resurrection F. It just makes more sense that he's able to suppress himself to such a level in his base form, rather than his strongest form.
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We remove a power headscratcher with an absolutely retarded character decision.

W-what? He let his guard down in both instances... That was sorta the point...
Letting your guard down (and thus leaving yourself momentarily open) is better than (metaphorically) TAKING OFF ALL THE ARMOR YOU HAVE! At least with fnf it could be argued as unintentional, here it's downright suicidal and idiotic. And at least in fnf, ssjgssj Goku could still fight neck if Freeza himself tried something, here Freeza could have easily death beamed him or something and it would have worked. At last in FnF he'd need to be sneaked attacked or he'd just call Freeza a fool and kill him if he tried something. Here it's just plain stupid.
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iirc he just turned around and killed Freeza when he tried that. Here he literally went back into base because he's stupid.


Likely transform? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I'm pretty sure an attack can come shorter than Goku's transformation. In any case he's explicitly and consciously taking a stupid risk this time.
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You have to first prove he couldn't transform in time before you call his decision idiotic.
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